@mattilacken - Also signed up. Waiting for invite. In the
meantime, will be checking out gqueues.com. Very interesting and
has many features we have been waiting for in N2/N1 already done
and running nicely.
@Proximo - Take a look at gqueues.com too, while you're at it.
Maybe you should consider starting a GTD software review blog.
=)
FWIW, I wrangled an invite to Flow over the weekend, and ended
up being less than impressed. It's definitely very pretty to look
at, but it's noticeably slower than N2, and the UI was less
intuitive (for me, at least).
While Flow is planning an iPhone app, there's no mention of an
Android product. And finally, they're apparently going to implement
a fixed-price system for everyone, rather than the "freemium" model
which I find more appealing.
Played with Gqueues a few months ago and didn't like it at all,
mostly because the UI seemed garish to me, and used screen real
estate inefficiently.
Mark, I completely agree about GQueues. I looked at it a few
months ago - and although, the feature set was promising, I just
couldn't get around the UI. I seem to remember I had some issues
with the workflow and its fidelity to GTD also. The net is, I
couldn't warm up to it.
As for Flow, I also have received an invite - haven't really
looked at it that much yet (just got it today). My very quick
impression is that it seems to be trying to merge BaseCamp and
Nirvana functionality - which may or may not be a good thing. I
wouldn't be too concerned about performance yet, they are
definitely behind Nirvana in that regard. The question is - do they
catch up? (after all, they are a brand new player).
To date, nothing hits the sweet spot like N2 does. Which is why
I'm back here every day to see what's cooking. ;)
GQueues is something I tried in the past and to echo what was
said, I did not like it at all. It's not fully usable for GTD
because it's not designed for it and falls short in many ways.
I am waiting for an invite to Flow and will give it a try and
see what it's about. I enjoy trying out new software but I do not
bounce from one to the other. I have done that for too long in the
past and N2 is the best I have found.
N2 will only get better as it matures to a final product and I
think it would be hard to beat at that point. It's good to look at
other software because you can get ideas from them and add them to
the suggestion box for N2 :-)
Just got my invite from Flow. Just my first impressions:
PROS:
I do like the ability to categorize your projects into folders, ie,
separate
work from personal. And the ability to share projects seem it
might be handy if I ever needed it. And the little icons were
kind of cool with the nice blue color. N2s is kind of bla
but I'll take ease of use and quickness over that any day.
Con:
I'm didn't like the UI. I think N2 is so much better and easier to
use. I
actually had to use a few brains cells to figure out how to
enter a task or create a project. N2 is so intuitive. For
example,
you had to click on a icon, then from a popup menu enter
your task. Too much work for me.
Decent UI
Nice Collaboration Features
File attachments
Cons:
Not Designed for GTD so it's not GTD Compliant. No Next Actions
list, No Time & Energy. It uses a tradition priority
system.
Everything must live in a Project like Nozbe. This alone made me
throw up in my mouth.
Some UI issues when working in a Project. It's hard to tell what
project you have active because the center UI area does not show a
Project title where the Project task live.
Conclusion:
If you are a GTDer, just simply stay away from this one. I am
not saying everyone follows GTD, but I wanted to point out
something I don't see others mention. Flow is NOT GTD Compliant and
this alone is a show stopper for many.
If you don't follow GTD, Flow still has some bad logic with no
ability to create a single task. Not everything is a Project in
real life.
I mentioned this in the support forums as a suggestion without
mentioning GTD at all. I simply suggested that having single task
list would be great. There response was to create a project and
call it "Single Task". This type of attitude is terrible because
they are in beta but not willing to listen to suggestions. Their
attitude is that our software is great and you just need to adapt
to it.
Calling a Project "Single Task" is like welding the back doors
of a sedan and calling it a coupe.
The people at Flow need to listen to the FLOW of suggestions
from users if they actually plan on making a good product.
2 Posted by Proximo on 12 Feb, 2011 02:52 PM
It's a competitive space for sure. :-)
3 Posted by mattilacken on 12 Feb, 2011 04:09 PM
The GUI...
4 Posted by zen on 12 Feb, 2011 05:23 PM
Please do post your review.
Let's hope... sometimes in the near future... Nirvana will have features, like recurring tasks, etc.
5 Posted by Proximo on 13 Feb, 2011 05:07 PM
@mattilacken
Thanks for the update. I have my beta invite in, so I hope to get in soon and give it the Proximo Stamp of approval. :-)
Just kidding.
The UI does look great.
6 Posted by mattilacken on 13 Feb, 2011 05:11 PM
@Proximo Tweet @Metalab and they will send you the invite.
7 Posted by gmtom1 on 14 Feb, 2011 03:15 PM
@mattilacken - Also signed up. Waiting for invite. In the meantime, will be checking out gqueues.com. Very interesting and has many features we have been waiting for in N2/N1 already done and running nicely.
@Proximo - Take a look at gqueues.com too, while you're at it. Maybe you should consider starting a GTD software review blog. =)
8 Posted by Mark on 14 Feb, 2011 06:06 PM
FWIW, I wrangled an invite to Flow over the weekend, and ended up being less than impressed. It's definitely very pretty to look at, but it's noticeably slower than N2, and the UI was less intuitive (for me, at least).
While Flow is planning an iPhone app, there's no mention of an Android product. And finally, they're apparently going to implement a fixed-price system for everyone, rather than the "freemium" model which I find more appealing.
Played with Gqueues a few months ago and didn't like it at all, mostly because the UI seemed garish to me, and used screen real estate inefficiently.
9 Posted by Rique on 14 Feb, 2011 06:56 PM
Mark, I completely agree about GQueues. I looked at it a few months ago - and although, the feature set was promising, I just couldn't get around the UI. I seem to remember I had some issues with the workflow and its fidelity to GTD also. The net is, I couldn't warm up to it.
As for Flow, I also have received an invite - haven't really looked at it that much yet (just got it today). My very quick impression is that it seems to be trying to merge BaseCamp and Nirvana functionality - which may or may not be a good thing. I wouldn't be too concerned about performance yet, they are definitely behind Nirvana in that regard. The question is - do they catch up? (after all, they are a brand new player).
To date, nothing hits the sweet spot like N2 does. Which is why I'm back here every day to see what's cooking. ;)
10 Posted by Proximo on 14 Feb, 2011 08:10 PM
GQueues is something I tried in the past and to echo what was said, I did not like it at all. It's not fully usable for GTD because it's not designed for it and falls short in many ways.
I am waiting for an invite to Flow and will give it a try and see what it's about. I enjoy trying out new software but I do not bounce from one to the other. I have done that for too long in the past and N2 is the best I have found.
N2 will only get better as it matures to a final product and I think it would be hard to beat at that point. It's good to look at other software because you can get ideas from them and add them to the suggestion box for N2 :-)
11 Posted by dean on 18 Feb, 2011 12:41 AM
Just got my invite from Flow. Just my first impressions:
PROS:
I do like the ability to categorize your projects into folders, ie, separate
work from personal. And the ability to share projects seem it
might be handy if I ever needed it. And the little icons were
kind of cool with the nice blue color. N2s is kind of bla
but I'll take ease of use and quickness over that any day.
Con:
I'm didn't like the UI. I think N2 is so much better and easier to use. I
actually had to use a few brains cells to figure out how to
enter a task or create a project. N2 is so intuitive. For example,
you had to click on a icon, then from a popup menu enter
your task. Too much work for me.
Conclusion not impressed N2 IMO still rules!
12 Posted by Mattias Johansson on 18 Feb, 2011 08:32 AM
I agree with you dean.
13 Posted by Proximo on 18 Feb, 2011 05:35 PM
My Flow Review.
Pros:
Decent UI
Nice Collaboration Features
File attachments
Cons:
Not Designed for GTD so it's not GTD Compliant. No Next Actions list, No Time & Energy. It uses a tradition priority system.
Everything must live in a Project like Nozbe. This alone made me throw up in my mouth.
Some UI issues when working in a Project. It's hard to tell what project you have active because the center UI area does not show a Project title where the Project task live.
Conclusion:
If you are a GTDer, just simply stay away from this one. I am not saying everyone follows GTD, but I wanted to point out something I don't see others mention. Flow is NOT GTD Compliant and this alone is a show stopper for many.
If you don't follow GTD, Flow still has some bad logic with no ability to create a single task. Not everything is a Project in real life.
I mentioned this in the support forums as a suggestion without mentioning GTD at all. I simply suggested that having single task list would be great. There response was to create a project and call it "Single Task". This type of attitude is terrible because they are in beta but not willing to listen to suggestions. Their attitude is that our software is great and you just need to adapt to it.
Calling a Project "Single Task" is like welding the back doors of a sedan and calling it a coupe.
The people at Flow need to listen to the FLOW of suggestions from users if they actually plan on making a good product.
14 Posted by JamesT on 18 Feb, 2011 10:07 PM
I agree with a lot of what Proximo is saying above.
Here is my review of the app.
http://todolistreview.net/producteev-review
Have a great weekend everyone
James
15 Posted by soren on 19 Feb, 2011 08:53 AM
Tried it - hate it - very unfinished