High level plans and goals in Nirvana?
Thanks to Proximo, copying from a post of his:
Everything in GTD falls in what David Allen calls "The Horizons of Focus". I described them in simplistic form below.
50,000 = Life Purpose, Core Values.
40,000 = Vision.
30,000 = Measurable Goals
20,000 = Areas of Focus, Responsibilities
10,000 = Projects
Runway = Next Actions
So where do people capture the 50, 40 and 30,000 foot level in Nirvana? I am guessing Nirvana assumes you do this in some other way, but just asking.
Rob.s
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2 Posted by MardiGrasStephen on 14 Jun, 2010 01:58 AM
Nirvanahq is still in beta and is still being developed.
I had made this a feature request but there was not much (any) support from the community. Maybe that will change. +1 for having this as a feature to perhaps get things rolling.
I use tags personally at the moment.
3 Posted by Proximo on 14 Jun, 2010 11:17 AM
Good point. I capture my 30,000 to 50,000 outside of Nirvana with Evernote as simple Goal Cards.
I think it would be nice to have this down the road in Nirvana for sure.
Toodledo ties your goals to task so you can see how things are progressing with your larger goals. Not sure how easy it would be to capture Goals, Vision and Purpose, but there probably is a nice way of doing this while keeping it simple.
I have always used Evernote, even with Toodledo because it was too difficult to work with inside my GTD System.
Evernote works fine for this but there may be a nice way of pulling this off in Nirvana. I just don't want Nirvana to get bulky and fat while loosing the simplicity at the same time. :-)
4 Posted by Nuno on 22 Jun, 2010 02:17 PM
I use mindmaps for my Horizons of Focus (20k and up). Best way for me to write it down and be clear about it :)
Do what helps you most
5 Posted by deekod on 24 Jun, 2010 09:27 PM
I use google documents, one word document with a simple bullet point outline for each altitude starting at 20k up to 50k, very simple and easy to jump between altitudes as you work up to 50k, focusing on one level at a time, but also allowing a quick check from level to level if required.
10k and runway I use NIrvana project and task lists, would love to see Nirvana have a simple text outliner to allow review of 20-50k levels at weekly review. I would also love to see the ability to see all 20-50k outlines, projects and tasks in one view so asI can study the whole picture for a while once a week - this would be a great way to keep my intuition fully educated for the coming week's next action selections.
6 Posted by Lynn on 26 Jun, 2010 02:55 AM
I've been learning GTD and exploring the various IPOD Touch apps trying to find THE one that will suit my needs. There are facets I like about each one, but none that I've found that incorporate all the fundamental concepts of GTD.
One of the reasons I keep returning to Toodledo is that it is THE only one I've found that ties one's goals to your lists. I really like that and believe that regularly viewing goals keeps us from getting bogged down in details and to keep reaching for them. Plus, everything syncs to it.
But, Toodledo doesn't have the Next Action list that's easy to access, so I've been looking at Pocket Informant which has inbox, next actions, contexts, and great filter selections, but sub-tasks are awkward, and I'm not entirely happy with it either. Action Lists handles sub-projects and contexts well, and buttons are defined for InBox, Action Lists, and Project, Waiting for and Someday, but it does not allow you to prioritize or star items - and an upgrade messed up the settings for it. I love the way 2Do utilizes the To Do List / Project List / Checklist feature, and its tabs are pretty, but it does not allow for context, and their pre-defined "action" selections are poor. Trying to use the context on their tabs just does not work.
Sorry, I'm getting long-winded. I just wanted to state that I think many people would have an interest in having their goals as part of the GTD system - we just can't find many apps that do. So, please consider it.
I'm also curious when it is estimated date for Nirvana to be released to the General Public's use? Will there by an IPOD version:? Thanks for your patience.
7 Posted by deekod on 26 Jun, 2010 07:03 PM
I am finding that using google docs for the upper altitudes keeps them completely separate from Nirvana and that is a good thing, if they were linked I would be inclined to "prioritise" my 50k items (important to the top or similar), 40k, then 30k, then 20k. This leads down the path to adjusting 50k, 40k 30k, 20k, 10k items up and down the list during the weekly review, thats a no-no for me personally as I prefer to keep "priorities" away from outliners and projects lists as they change by the minute, not just by the week. This then leavies me to practice intuition "un-aided" as I select the next actions for the time available based on context/energy. This is one of the great reasons to forget toodledo and MLO and other such outliners that prioritise by "importance" - whats important during the weekly review changes as soon as you finish it.
Having said all that - if it prioritising by outline works for you then stick with it!
8 Posted by Akshay on 17 Aug, 2010 05:49 PM
Firstly, I love the interface. It's one of my favourite things about this webapp. In this case, however, I feel that a link to a simple text area for these >20,000 ft items with revision history would be a great way to add it in to the application without making it too complex.
9 Posted by Proximo on 17 Aug, 2010 07:26 PM
@Akshay
I know many of us shared how we handle this type of information today, but it would be nice to have it built in to Nirvana as well.
For now, I still use Evernote and add the link in my task notes.
I use Dropbox to link documents to task since Nirvana does not currently support attachments either.
In time, it would be nice to have these features built in.
10 Posted by sim on 18 Aug, 2010 12:55 AM
I think one of the main purpose of having 30k ft and above in Nirvana would be as another decision making tool. So far in the GTD methodology/philosophy, the decision making criteria first falls under AoF, than context, followed by time/energy than priority. However my understanding of GTD is that using the 30k ft to 50k ft as the decision making criteria is the ultimate. I maybe wrong. Happy for correction.
11 Posted by Proximo on 18 Aug, 2010 08:51 PM
@Sim,
You are correct. GTD is about considering all your Horizons of Focus. That's a fancy way of saying that you should have your goals, vision and life purpose, responsibilities, projects and actions clearly defined.
Knowing this will aid you in making the right decisions on what to work on.
Horizons of Focus = Priorities
Knowing the Horizons of Focus allows you to choose what's best to do. It's not expressed as a hard coded priority as other systems, but it's a more dynamic process that makes you think about what to do here and now.
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