iPad version?
Just wondering if there's plans for an iPad version. I've seen different discussions where the iPhone app is mentioned but nothing for the iPad.
Thanks
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Just wondering if there's plans for an iPad version. I've seen different discussions where the iPhone app is mentioned but nothing for the iPad.
Thanks
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2 Posted by bobwaltman on 21 Aug, 2010 11:37 PM
Okay so I saw the answer to my iPad question but is there an ETA? Even a rough one?
3 Posted by Proximo on 23 Aug, 2010 03:51 AM
Many of us veterans have been waiting for the iPhone app and a new increase in Android request. I could not imagine the iPad version being made before the iPhone and Android platforms.
There will be many angry users if the focus was not the iPhone and Android with the iPad as a distant third. Many don't own or want an iPad, so I sure hope the focus remains with the iPhone and Android.
When thinking of Nirvana from a mobile view, the iPhone and Android would be the most useful.
4 Posted by bobwaltman on 23 Aug, 2010 04:08 AM
You know what Proximo I hate my Android phone. I try to love it I try to even like it but it stinks. The last thing I would consider doing on it would be anything GTD related unless it was just to read a todo list or shopping list.
Without getting into a long discussion about the phone I'll just say that I bought the highest (Maybe 2nd highest) rated Android phone (At the time) and it has so disappointed me. I should really have them turn my Blackberry back on. As soon as iPhone is sold on Verizon I'll be the first on line.
Also I didn't say anything about changing focus, all I asked was if there was even a rough ETA. I'm trying to decide between Nirvana and another GTD web app and if it's going to be within 6 months I may go with Nirvana if not then I don't think so.
I carry my iPad no matter where I go and I think that there are many iPad users like myself, so having an iPad app is near the top of my list when choosing the right GTD web app.
5 Posted by Proximo on 23 Aug, 2010 09:06 PM
@bobwaltman,
I understand bud. Sorry if I sounded rude or anything. I simply don't want Nirvana developers to loose track of how many of us are waiting on the Smart Phone applications.
I imagine that making the app for the iPhone will probably mean the iPad version is also complete, so it probably would not matter.
I would be interested in a different discussion on why you don't like Android because I am looking toward Android, just to avoid giving Steve Jobs my hard earned money anymore. I can't stand when my freedom is removed and that is what I experience with the iPhone.
I would be more willing to run a Chrome OS tablet than anything Steve makes.
6 Posted by bobwaltman on 23 Aug, 2010 10:00 PM
No apologies necessary, it's all good :)
As for the Android, where do I start???
I have a Sprint Hero which at the time I bought was rated as one of the top 3 or 3 phones. When I first got it it had version 1.5 of the Android OS and was running okay, not great but acceptable. I liked it enough that I bought a $50 extended battery for it.
Part of the problems started with HTC/Sprint not upgrading from 1.5 to 1.6 and then skipping over to 2.0. That would be okay but even with that they made us wait to the point of complete frustration. I ended up finding a rom online and updating it myself. I took a shot at it because it promised to give a big boost in performance which sadly to say was far from the truth. In fact performance suffered even more and as it stands now when I press on "Phone" to make a call it can take from 5 to 20 or 30 seconds to initialize that call. I avoid using my phone for calls as much as I could.
Aside from that, if you enjoy typing on iPhone you'll hate it on Android. I understand you have issues with Apple and the "Closed" source environment but you can't say they don't know how to make something extremely useful. I have played around with enough iPhones to be able to say unequivocally that the iPhone is much better where the touch screen is concerned. You will not find an Android based phone that has the seem feel that your iPhone does. My friend has the Droid and my cousin just bought the Droid X. While these phones are better than mine they still don't compare in usage and feel to the iPhones I've used.
Secondly, I promise you without a doubt that you will be 100% disappointed in the Marketplace, their version of the app store. As many complaints as I hear about Apple being selective and controlling and still letting some crappy apps through, it's nothing compared to the android marketplace. The only upside is that they give refunds within 24 hours (I think it's 24 don't quote me) and you will be refunding. The nice things about iPhone/iPad/iPod apps is that they are pretty uniform across the board. My wife who is the least techy person you're likely to meet can use iPad apps without any problems. Once I showed her a couple different apps and how use them she was off and running. She can't figure out how to do anything with my phone. Hard as I tried to show her stuff she just doesn't get it. Part of the problem is that every app is different with different settings and functions that you access in different ways. One app will have activation buttons on the bottom others will have them on top, some apps settings you press the Menu key on the phone, others you get to settings through a button in the app, it's just a horrible mess. There are some apps I download and just get so frustrated I delete them right away. Also if there are some apps you depend on do a search and see what's available in the Android marketplace. There is a reason why people are not buying Android apps. You can research this yourself but the app store outsells marketplace by leaps and bounds. Developers aren't bending over backwards to make great Android apps because of this. People are simply not buying the apps. The marketplace app too is not as polished as the app store app.
Are there some good ones? Yes no doubt there are but for the most part nothing like the app store apps. I would think long and hard before you get rid of your iPhone in favor of Android. Go to the store and play with it extensively. Send some texts, download some free apps, do as much as you can. Don't forget that when you're looking and touching a brand new phone it's going to perform better than once you have it for a while so take that into consideration also.
Also is it Apple you dislike so much or is it AT&T that contributes to how you feel. In January or early 2011 iPhones will be available from Verizon, so if AT&T is part of the equation for you, you might want to wait until then.
If you have any questions by all means ask away and I'll try to be as accurate as possible.
7 Posted by Proximo on 24 Aug, 2010 03:35 AM
Bob,
Thanks for the input and advice. I will play with an Android before I decide to change. I have no issues with at&t since I live in Dallas and have great reception everywhere I go.
I just don't like it when I buy something and Steve tries to tell me what I can run on it. I am a Googlite. Not sure if it's a real word, but I basically use just about everything Google offers. On my iPhone I can run great Google apps like Navigator simply because Steve does not want me too.
I CAN'T STAND THAT.
As for the iPad, I thinks it's just stupid to make a device with none of the industry standard inputs such as USB or HDMI. I must take pictures on my camera, download them to a PC, upload them to iTunes, hook up the iPad and then sync. That's just plain stupid if you ask me. Why not let me plug my camera directly into the iPad Steve? Oh, that's right, I won't be able to purchase your expensive proprietary connectors.
With all that said, I do agree that the iPhone and iPad are super slick in how they work. Steve is a genius when it comes to design and ease of use. I just don't like to live in his closed world. I will not change from using Apple products until I can find something that would give it a run for it's money but I just wish I could get up and walk away.
I don't run a Mac because I like choice, but the Mac seems way more open than the iPhone or iPad.
I am happy with my iPhone except for the amazing apps I am not allowed to run.
Maybe I just need to drink the Steve Kool-aid and be done with it.
8 Posted by bobwaltman on 24 Aug, 2010 08:25 AM
I hear what you're saying about Google and I too am a Google fan and use almost everything they have to offer too, however I don't see that what Apple does is bad or improper. One of the reasons their stuff is so good is because of how they run things. I used the jailbreak app on my iPad and I have to tell you that all those apps that aren't in the app store are really no big deal. Yes there are a couple of decent apps that let you customize the interface that are nice but they don't really add any value to the iPad or it's functions. I personally think that multitasking is way overblown and other than an IM client can't think of anything I NEED to multitask on my iPad. It takes up more battery life and is a nuisance at the wrong time. I actually prefer NOT multitasking because it allows me to concentrate on one task at a time, on top of that the screen is too small to truly multitask anyway.
I come from a family of business owners, from construction to clothing and footwear to pharmacies and I have to tell you that if anyone tried to dictate how I should run my business I'd laugh in their face. Apple has the right to do what they want and how they want. No one gave them anything, they earned the status they achieved by being innovative and delivering products that are far superior than anyone else.
Microsoft is no different, you can't just install anything you want on their phones, and for that matter I can't run anything I want on my Android phone. I can't run Skype I can't use features of the phone because Sprint won't unlock them and as I already told you the apps in the android marketplace are so piss poor that I wish they were a closed source community and only allowed certain apps in that meet some kind of standards. As it is it's a bunch of useless crap that doesn't do much to enhance my Android phone experience. I certainly don't feel that Apple dictates what I can or can't use. If there's something I need that badly and they don't have it I'll just choose a different phone, be it Android, Blackberry or Windows.
As much as I love Google stuff I think that whole open thing is way over hyped and just a good smokescreen. I'm a web developer and one of the services I provide is SEO. I can do everything right and follow all their guidelines but once in a while they decide to change the algorithm and all the work I put in (months sometimes) goes down the toilet. Do you think that's right or ethical? They give you no warning they just do it and a profitable website goes from being on the first page of Google search results to nowhere to be found and the poor website owner goes from making 10K per month to zero over night. Is that fair or ethical? I think that's a lot worse than anything Apple does.
I'm sorry I just don't get it Proximo, I don't get that whole thing about "Can't run what I want", I just don't. There are so many fabulous apps that will do anything a person wants or needs, I just don't get it.
As for pictures, I don't go through all that. First of all I wouldn't want all my pictures on my iPad. I'm no Ansel Adams and there are only a few out of an entire shoot that I would want to have with me, secondly I simply sync my Nikon with my PC, transfer over to Dropbox folder (on my PC) and I can have them instantly on my iPad, very simple. And as you said I can buy the camera addon if I want but hey that's the price you pay for buying the best. If you bought a BMW or a Benz would you buy a cheap part at Kmart to use it on the car? I don't think so. And the last thing I'll say is this. If you feel that strongly about that whole thing I'm not sure I understand why you bought an iPhone to begin with. I'm sorry man I respect your opinion and your right to make choices but why you bought it is beyond me. Oh and by the way. The reason you can't get Google Navigator is not because Apple won't allow it, it's because Google won't give it to Apple, that's why. So your real beef is with Google and not Apple when it comes to the Navigator app.
I still luv ya Proximo and looking forward to an interesting reply:)
(I got interrupted 3 or 4 times so, sorry of some thoughts seem unfinished)
9 Posted by haeffb on 25 Aug, 2010 02:32 PM
@Proximo: All I ask is that you please wait until Palm's next webOS phone is available before making the switch (or sticking with iPhone).
@bobwaltman: I really don't even know how to respond to your comments about multitasking. At the very least, I would suggest it's possible that those who have never experienced multitasking on a mobile device don't know what they're missing.
10 Posted by Proximo on 25 Aug, 2010 09:35 PM
OK,
I won't go any further on why I DON'T want to give Steve my money. It goes beyond his ego driven way of doing things and lying about his products hardware design flaw.
I will leave it at that and move on.
I would be interested in Android, WebOS or Windows Phone 7 in the future. There is so much about what I don't like about Steve that it makes me mad that I am giving him my money today.
Give me liberty of give me death. :-)
11 Posted by bobwaltman on 26 Aug, 2010 04:20 AM
@haeffb I do have multitasking on all my devices. I used the jailbreak on my iPad and I have the Android phone but I simply don't feel the need for it. Maybe if you can give me some specific examples of why you couldn't live without multitasking or exactly what you multitask on your devices I'd get a better understanding of the need. I really mean it and I'm not trying to be funny or disrespectful.
I was just looking through all my apps trying to figure out what I would need to have the ability with and I really can't come up with anything other than instant messaging and that has push technology on my iPad anyway. The downside on an Android is that a lot of apps don't actually exit when you close them, many don't even have an "exit" or "quit" option and remain on in the background even if you don't want that. The end result as that you can have a dead phone in about 4 hours if you're not careful. You have to download an app from the marketplace that specifically shuts down what you don't want running. I think that's very poorly implemented and a total waste of resources. Like I said maybe if you give me some examples I can get a better feel for what you mean.
@Proximo Yeah I'm interested to see the new Windows phone. They've been working on it for a very long time now and obviously not rushing it to market which I think means that they are trying to create something that will compete well with the iPhone. I think that the one thing that can make or break it is going to be their marketplace or app store or whatever they're going to call it. I have to call Sprint (My carrier) and see if I can make enough noise for them to either give me an EVO or give me a deep discount. The phone I bought never lived up to it's potential and they have just shortened it's life by not giving it Froyo. To me that's a breech of contract. The phone is supposed to be updated for the duration of the contract which for me was 2 years. By not giving it Froyo which is the latest update they in effect have cut it's lifespan by about 2 years maybe more.
I'll call them Friday and see if I can get my "A" game going:)
12 Posted by haeffb on 26 Aug, 2010 01:27 PM
@bobwaltman - I currently have an IRC chat client, my email app, a twitter client, a tasks app and a notes app open. I can be drafting an email, switch over to the notes app and grab some info, switch back to email and paste. While I'm doing that, the IRC client is keeping up with the chat conversations. And then a text message arrives - I get an unobtrusive notification - it doesn't interrupt any of my other work and I can choose to open the SMS app or continue with my email. If I do open the SMS app, the draft email is still there waiting for me when I want to switch back and finish. Oh, and if I wanted, I could also be listening to Pandora radio while doing all this. Or using a GPS navigator. Or...whatever I want, really. And I didn't have to anger Master Steve by jailbreaking anything to do any of this.
The beauty of webOS is not that it multitasks - it's that it does so with an intuitive, efficient user interface that makes it so simple to switch back and forth between apps that it doesn't get in your way.
13 Posted by bobwaltman on 26 Aug, 2010 03:10 PM
@haeffb See that's a misconception a lot of people have. On my iPad (prior to jailbreaking) I could do all those things too. Actually email is always running in the background as well as iPod if I want. I can listen to an audio book and continue doing whatever else I want, I can go from email to a document, copy, back to email and paste. I'll give you that I can't listen to Pandora but I use iPod a lot more anyway. When I reopen my IRC client (Colloquy) it opens to my last chat window too. Obviously I don't use sms on my iPad. Actually I do but it's a separate app and doesn't belong in this conversation though I can get push notifications if I wanted. Of course once OS4 is released for the iPad which should be next month it'll have a lot multitasking capabilities and this conversation will be moot.
As for all that stuff on my phone, while I can I simply don't. I wouldn't use an IRC client because for me the screen is just too small to make usable. I only handle email reading for the most part and if I do use it to respond to an email it's only a really short message. I find trying to be productive on a phone is very difficult. The screen is too small to accommodate productivity and pretty much the same thing for the keyboard. I actually liked my Blackberry keyboard a lot better and did answer emails that required more than just 3 or 4 words. Keep in mind that these are my preferences and everyone is different and uses their devices in different ways.
Personally I just think there is too much negative stuff going around about every company and device. You can find fault with every single big company out there. Google has issues with privacy, Microsoft is hated for their OS and because of how they conduct business. Apple now is evil because how they conduct business. I know they could have handled the whole antenna thing better, no doubt about that, but for the most part they still have arguably the best phone available. And it has multitasking:)
I just refuse to find all the faults of a company and then trash them for no good reason. If I feel strongly about something I stop using their products. About 3 years ago I felt very strongly about how poor Windows Vista was and simply switched to Linux and for 2 years used nothing but my Linux OS on all my PC's. It just saddens me to see people rip into some company or person because they have different ideals and think that the person or company in question should be doing things differently and conducting business in a different manner. We live in a free society and this country and our economy was built on the freedoms to be able to do things how you envision them not how someone else thinks you should envision them. A person pours everything they have into their business but because x thinks y should be doing it some other way, now they are branded evil or malicious. I find the whole thing very distasteful. It would be no different if I decided that because Nirvana doesn't have a feature I really want to now go out to other forums blasting the devs for not being responsive and that the product sucks because it doesn't have this one feature. Would that be fare? Of course not and it's the same with the big 3 only on a different scale.
It's impossible to satisfy everyone. It cannot and will not ever happen.
"You can make some of the people happy all the time, all of the people happy some of the time but you can't make all of the people happy all of the time"
And there is a difference between constructive criticism and name calling and branding. Enough out of me and I'll be more then happy to drop it.
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