Another bug with deleting recurring tasks? --- NOT A BUG
So I dragged my test recurring tasks to the trash, but those tasks are still visible in focus and next views. I looked at one and it's no longer recurring. I sort of understand this in the sense that if you delete the recurring aspect of a task, you might not want to delete the individual instances, but at the very least I think this should be an option. Kind of how Google Calendar handles recurring event deletions - it asks you if you want to delete the individual event or the entire series. Something like that might be more useful and easier to understand.
2 Posted by Lasse on 28 Jul, 2011 09:32 AM
In general I have to say that I'm not a big fan of the "spawn" concept, even though I know that other apps work the same way (Things for example). Personally I find that it's more work and often confuses people - including me. :-)
Support Staff 3 Posted by David McLaughlin on 28 Jul, 2011 02:29 PM
Levi - I'd appreciate it if you'd not spam the discussions multiple times on the same topic.
If you don't like the way something works, fine - we appreciate the feedback, but not all over the discussions in multiple posts.
And just because you don't like the way something works, it does not make it a bug.
dbm
4 Posted by Lasse on 28 Jul, 2011 02:45 PM
@David, as far as I understand it, Levi's posts are about two different aspects of how recurring tasks work (1. what happens when you change the date, 2. what happens when you delete a task). If you're not aware of the relationship between pattern tasks and spawned tasks, as Levi wasn't (and as I wasn't either at first), then these two behaviors seem unrelated and seem like bugs. So, I don't think it's fair to say Levi was spamming and that he was calling something a bug just because he didn't like it. I think both his posts were legitimate queries/suggestions.
Besides, while I understand that more posts mean more work for you, from a user's perspective I'd rather have someone risk posting a similar thought every once in a while rather than keeping his or her mouth shut for fear of being accused of spamming. After all, one aspect I love about Nirvana is the vibrant community, which only exists as long as people are willing to engage in discussions. And if Proximo never repeated anything he's previously written, we'd only have half as many posts from him! :) Which would be a shame! And let me add that the reason he repeats himself so often is due to the fact that people keep bringing up the same issues again and again - maybe because it's not exactly easy to find out if a certain subject has been mentioned previously (as I've already mentioned in a different post ;)).
Support Staff 5 Posted by David McLaughlin on 28 Jul, 2011 03:35 PM
OK, the spam was a bit harsh, but then I read his posts back-to-back and am still a bit irked with the assumption that because someone disagrees with the way something was done - or doesn't understand how it works - that it's a bug, rather than the defiency being in their understanding.
Regarding making things easier to find, the new support system is not too far away from being put into place.
Things will be (hopefully) easier to find - and we'll be putting together more KB articles, etc.
David
6 Posted by Lasse on 28 Jul, 2011 03:49 PM
@David, I guess Nirvana is just so simple and intuitive to use that if you come across something that doesn't work as expected you can't help but think that it must be a bug! :) Glad to hear there's a new support system coming (not to mention the KB articles!).
7 Posted by levi on 28 Jul, 2011 05:16 PM
For the record, David, it was an honest mistake that this was a bug. I had no idea that this was expected behavior, because I didn't expect it. I'm a pretty technical person and have been using other task systems and web apps, and in fact am a developer myself, so I feel like I have a decent sense of these things. Yet, this didn't make sense to me.
I'm sorry if this offended you, but please know that I'm simply trying to point out something I feel isn't quite right. The confusion involved should be a red flag that something about how this works isn't as intuitive as it could be. Most of Nirvana is very simple, as @Lasse said, but obviously this piece of Nirvana is not. Again, I'm just trying to make Nirvana better, I'm sorry if using the word "bug" offended you. As a developer myself, I know I produce bugs all the time, but that's besides the point, I wasn't trying to condemn Nirvana for being buggy. Most of the the when I'm beta-testing apps for other developers, they are actually congratulatory if I find a bug, because it helps them perfect their app. So I'm generally HAPPY when I find something like this because it's supposed to be helpful for the developer, rather than some criticism or something...
8 Posted by Proximo on 28 Jul, 2011 06:03 PM
I can understand the confusion of a new user and how something that is intended functionality can be seen as a bug initially. I guess in a perfect world, we could always ask if the behavior described is a bug or not and let the veteran users or developers answer the question. I don't think Levi was trying to be rude in any way, but just trying to point out the things that seem to be a little confusion or not working as someone would expect them too. I know in many cases, some people were confusing intended functionality with an actual flaw/bug, but when it was explained to them, it made more sense.
As for Lasse. I never repeat myself on these forums. Not sure where you get that idea from, but I can guarantee you that everything I post is an original first time discussion.
I think Levi was simply trying to learn how things work and point things out as he understands them.
As for Lasse. I never repeat myself on these forums. Not sure where you get that idea from, but I can guarantee you that everything I post is an original first time discussion.
David is also a great person and has done so much in gathering all the comments, suggestions and bugs from the community. We are all human and can get a little bit frustrated with things. David probably deals with things on the back end that are very complicated to resolve and then he reads a post that can be taken the wrong way and frustrates him because of all the work that was put into a feature. It's not that suggestions are bad but sometimes hard work get's to you.
So let's all take a deep breath and raise a drink to the sky.
As for Lasse. I never repeat myself on these forums. Not sure where you get that idea from, but I can guarantee you that everything I post is an original first time discussion.
:-)
9 Posted by Jeff Maynes on 28 Jul, 2011 09:00 PM
The content of the suggestion is the same whether we use the language "bug" or "feature request" and it would be a shame if the point was lost in a silly hullabaloo over it. I like the suggestion of having a little pop-up when you delete a recurring task ask if you want to delete the instance, or all events in the series (like Google Calendar, which Levi mentions). That might make the relationship between spawned and pattern tasks more explicit to users (I was confused by it too, I had to a weekly review a day early one week because of travel plans, and tried to mark the patterned task "complete"). So, for what its worth, I give this a +1 for making the system slightly more intuitive.
10 Posted by david-drake on 28 Jul, 2011 09:49 PM
Oh my. Well, for once I am glad it is someone else besides me. :)
Hang in there, levi and David. As Proximo said....deep breaths...
-David
11 Posted by Lasse on 28 Jul, 2011 11:44 PM
Of course you never repeat yourself, Proximo. And you don't repeat yourself either, Damian. And neither do you - wait, there's three of you now?! Hmm, how about you guys have a drink while I call some friends of mine... :-)
12 Posted by ataffel on 29 Jul, 2011 12:17 AM
Hi everyone, Nirvana newbie here. Welcome to the Department of Redundancy Department. By the way, I like how this Nirvana system is structured and the ease of use. I will be watching to see how things progress.
13 Posted by Proximo on 29 Jul, 2011 02:46 AM
@Lasse,
You know I was only kidding bud. :-) Could not resist posting the same thing 3 times. HA!
14 Posted by Lasse on 29 Jul, 2011 10:36 AM
Yeah, I got a good laugh out of your post, Proximo! :-)