Hotkey for "Move to today" or "move to project"
chechi
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Hi,
You guys have done a really neat job. I am pretty impressed and
looking forward to switching from "remember the milk" to
nirvana.
There is one suggestion I can make though: Clicking things gets
really old after a while. Especially for stuff you do a lot. So it
would be nice if there would be a hotkey for "move to today". "move
to project" would be cool too - a way it could potentially work
would be like the "Move to" in gmail.
Also, I don't know anything about your code organization, but for the future it would be nice if the user had the option to bind keys to one or a combination of "actions". Powerful code editiors like vim and emacs allow you to do this. Then users could have really nice macros and be even more productive :).
Cheers,
Stephan
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Support Staff 2 Posted by Christiane Magee on 01 Dec, 2009 04:16 PM
Hi Chechi,
thanks for your suggestions and input. First I want to make sure that you are aware of our current keyboard shortcuts: http://help.nirvanahq.com/faqs/tutorials/keyboard-shortcuts
As for the keyboard short cuts you have suggested, I have made note and will pass onto the dev team as well as your thoughts on allowing the user to bind keys to their actions of their own choice - you are very right... using the keyboard to navigate around and file tasks away does make for a very productive way of working.
thanks!
~Christiane
3 Posted by Vin Thomas on 01 Dec, 2009 10:04 PM
Yes, the more keyboard shortcuts the better! This would be a handy shortcut.
Support Staff 4 Posted by Elbert McLaughlin on 08 Dec, 2009 04:00 PM
Oh... I've got some good ideas brewing. I think they will make the power users very happy. I'm a keyboard kinda guy myself.
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5 Posted by Stephan Badragan on 08 Dec, 2009 06:19 PM
Rubs hands in anticipation :)
6 Posted by Tim Glinatsis on 18 Apr, 2010 02:21 PM
The drag and drop behavior is very pretty, but it would sure be handy if you could select a project when you're adding a new task (a drop down list, kinda like Vitalist handles it, would be perfect).
I've seen other threads where people are nervous about having a huge list of projects down the left. I'm in that camp...and anyone who ISN'T, probably hasn't really listened to the David. :) Given that, I'll never understand the practicality of dragging and dropping as the method of assigning actions to a project.
I'm really impressed with Nirvana, and would love to jump ship from Vitalist and head over here. But it just doesn't seem like you guys are building for the real GTD crowd yet.
We need the ability to do more heavy lifting, and the projects deal is central to that.
7 Posted by Proximo on 19 Apr, 2010 08:13 PM
@Tim Glinatsis,
Thanks for your input. First I want to say that I agree with you and having a drop down list during the creating of a new task would be great.
This functionality is already working for task you created and then decide to make them part of a Project. But the ability to choose from a project list during task creation is something that would be very beneficial.
As for Nirvana. Nirvana is building for the real GTD crowd. The key word here is BUILDING. Nirvana is in Beta and great feedback like yours is what we need. Nirvana may not have every bell and whistle yet, but they are on their way.
The feedback from all the beta testers is what will make Nirvana one of the best GTD services around. Nothing is perfect and no one service will satisfy everyone, but I do honestly believe the Nirvana team is trying to build a solid GTD foundation with ease of use. Having great ideas from people like yourself is crucial, so please stick around and help us improve it.
Great to have you here.
8 Posted by Tim Glinatsis on 19 Apr, 2010 08:29 PM
@Proximo: Thanks for the great response. That was a thoughtful enough answer to convince me to fire up Nirvana here at work and have it on standby next to Vitalist.
But how's this for irony: I can't actually use Nirvana here at work. Our corporate network is restricted to IE7 (for now), and I'm not able to install Chrome, Firefox or Webkit on my system. So Nirvana won't load at all here. :(
sigh
9 Posted by Proximo on 19 Apr, 2010 08:59 PM
@Tim,
I just checked this and verified it.
To be honest, I really can't believe it. Although I can't stand using IE, it's still the No. 1 used browser in the world. This is by default since it comes with the Windows OS, but that's just the way it is. Because of this simple fact, every website or service should run on IE by default. I understand not supporting IE6 with all it's issues, but IE7 is still very new in the corporate world.
I am sure Elbert will jump in here any moment and share some words of wisdom on this.
Support Staff 10 Posted by Elbert McLaughlin on 19 Apr, 2010 09:46 PM
OK, I've been baited. ;-)
Here's the truth of it... at the moment we're barely hanging on (with our fingernails) to keep IE8 working. Here's my developer's rant from a few months ago:
http://blog.nirvanahq.com/2010/02/24/perhaps-i-ask-too-much-of-a-br...
Part of our decision to drop support for IE6 and IE7 comes from our google analytics breakdown of actual site visitors, posted here:
http://blog.nirvanahq.com/2010/02/26/which-browser-are-you/
Yes, you read that right... our entire IE visitor pool is less than 5% !! And of that, more than 80% visit us with IE8. You can do the math as to what that means for our IE7 visitor base. Note: this isn't users of the app itself... this is raw visitor stats to our entire web presence including the blog and the community help area.
We seem to have a very niche following at the moment. So from a beta standpoint, where the goal is to nail-down Nirvana's core feature set, we decided to say faretheewell to IE7 (for now, anyway).
I rustled some feathers awhile back when I provocatively stated that our target browser was Chrome. But here's where I was going with that: we want Nirvana to be accessible to every person on planet earth, not necessarily to every browser on planet earth... so the thinking went that for everyone that would have otherwise purchased and downloaded a standalone GTD app, downloading Chrome (if only for using Nirvana to the fullest) wouldn't be all that different a proposition. I am not sure that this reasoning is all that sound, but it made sense to me at the time. ;-)
On a super geek note, we have been upgrading the core libraries for all the whizbang drag/drop/sort/ajax wizardry as of late, and perhaps some of these changes will lend themselves to helping us support IE better. (remains to be seen...) But at present, every moment we spend trying to make IE play nice with Nirvana seems like resources wasted when held up against new features that could have gone live for the other 95% of our core user base. Who knows... if we keep draggin our feet long enough perhaps the whole world will have moved on to IE9 and none of this will matter anyway? (just kidding)
Anyway, that's where things stand right now. It's possible that with enough people nagging at us, and with a real spike in IE7 visitors, we might be open to diverting resources to supporting it. But not for now. :-\
11 Posted by Tim Glinatsis on 20 Apr, 2010 01:20 AM
[Rant alert! Rant alert! Sorry, I didn't mean to turn this into a philosophy discussion...it just kinda happened.]
Ya know, the sad thing is that I'm embarrassed to even acknowledge that my workday surfing occurs on IE...but corporate IT, working in the defense industry, yadda yadda.
I do a little web design on the side, and I totally get the challenges with IE in general. If I never saw another IE png transparency fix, for example, I'd be content. :P
What I'll say is that the alternatives to Nirvana (Vitalist, Toodledo, RTM, Nozbe, etc.) are at least 95% functional in IE for me. They don't always look right (weird Ajax behavior, overlapping divs, etc.), but they work. And that's not a vote for IE support - it's just an observation.
You're right that there's a niche. Most of us that insist on finding an online GTD app do so because: we care about technology, we have multiple devices that need ubiquitous data access (laptops, desktops, cell phones, work machines), and we sure as hell don't use IE... so the online experience is as good as local/desktop experiences. Personally, I use Chrome on OSX as my primary browser outside of work. The netbook that I run alongside my corporate laptop, in my office, runs Chrome under Windows7, though FF creeps in there occasionally. I'd never, never consider using IE...
But what about the rest of the world? I'm a mid-level manager at a large defense company - there are 300 engineers in my span of influence, and ~4,000 employees in my business unit. I'm the only one that I know using GTD...and I preach it like its gospel. Most people are totally unaware of GTD.
I've never met a GTD user who was "passive" about their implementation. Most people are not using it, but there's those of us that BREATHE GTD...and we go all out. We change systems. We try new sites, new software, new Moleskines, new Levenger Circas, new pocketmods, etc. We're geeks, too, most of the time. The point? We're HAPPY to install Chrome, if that's what runs Nirvana best...but the typical user isn't.
GTD needs to break into the mainstream. Your site appears to be one hell of an opportunity to do that...but not until corporate IT catches up, apparently. In the meantime, the inability to support IE - for example - perpetuates our little niche. We're geeky, so we want Nirvana. Nirvana works well for us, because we're geeky...and we all use the same geeky browsers. But if you're Joe Shmoe employee in a cube at a large company, who just got a copy of GTD from his zealot buddy next door, is dying to implement, and GETS that your lists need to be centralized and available from anywhere...Nirvana is an awfully good, attractive way to do that.
Right up until the point where it doesn't load on his browser at work.
At which point he probably receives another subtle indication that GTD is for geeks.
If we're lucky, he goes to another site and tries to implement there. My bet is that we lose that guy from the GTD religion...and there's one more person out there who's so blasted disorganized that it impacts my weekend. :P
Sorry for the rant. I know the problem isn't easily solved, but it's a good discussion, nonetheless.
Support Staff 12 Posted by Elbert McLaughlin on 21 Apr, 2010 07:37 PM
I hear ya loud and clear. It is one hell of an opportunity, and one I hope that we can capitalize on in due course. Keep the faith, brotha!
13 Posted by Lance on 21 Apr, 2010 10:21 PM
Tim,
I for one echo every word you said. Been through all the gadgets (Palm I, Levenger, Moleskine, BlackBerry's, you name it) and I live and breathe GTD. My boss has finally seen the light, and is implementing GTD via the most elegant way of all, paper and pencil. And when I get ready to point him too an online, more efficient way towards Nirvana, and being in Defense he fires up IE and it doesn't work, thats another potential customer lost. That's also future revenue lost, unless Nirvana is in it just for kicks.
Those of here in these forums are the minority, of GTD users and we all geeks. Some of us are still in the closet and some of us are very open. Were willing to tweak, and bend programs to do our bidding. We all have at one time or another, tried most GTD programs with every browser out there to see which one works best. But my boss, the average Joe, will not do this.
The novelty of playing with different programs and browsers is starting wear thin. I want to, with whatever browser I happen to have on the machine at the time, turn it on and Nirvana work. I could be at work where the government has its unholy alliance with all things Microsoft. I could be at home on my MacBook Pro with Opra, Safari or Chrome. I could be at a conference in D.C. and forced to use IE.
The average Joe is going to follow the path of least resistance, and use whatever browser is loaded on their machine. People want convenience and ease of use. I understand your stats point away from IE, but that is a skewed sample of the whole potential GTD population that you could reach out too.
Again, Tim is right on the money.
14 Posted by Proximo on 22 Apr, 2010 03:21 PM
Great points Lance and I agree.
Ultimately you need to support all current browsers if you want the largest customer base.
15 Posted by Jenn on 25 Apr, 2010 05:52 AM
+1 for having a drop down list during the creating of a new task
It was one of the first things I was looking for!
16 Posted by wmwillis on 25 Apr, 2010 05:03 PM
I work for the largest computer company in the world and we are still on IE7. Luckily I can install other browsers and I also work from home so my Mac sits next to me, with Nirvana running under Chrome. But I understand completely gang. Corporate works very slowly - many in my company still run IE6 - we get IE7 when our computers get replaced and many haven't been yet.
I too have asked others to check out Nirvana only to be told "what's with a site that won't work on IE7? I'm sure it is a great site once you get in..."
I also understand trying to use the limited development resources you have wisely. Hopefully as the product matures, maybe you all will be able to circle back and work on IE7 support.
Thanks for listening.
Support Staff 17 Posted by Christiane Magee on 28 Apr, 2010 03:30 PM
Hi @jenn... thanks for your +1. We will be improving upon existing features once we finish integrating the remaining core features.
@wmwillis... thanks for your post and for understanding.
you got it.
:)
David McLaughlin closed this discussion on 04 Feb, 2011 02:31 AM.